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Galvis
Apr 16, 2019 12:50:27 GMT -5
Post by ch435 on Apr 16, 2019 12:50:27 GMT -5
Hey folks,
Placed a bid on galvis this morning. In my haste, typed 3/521k instead of upping the bid. I think given the context of the situation, we all realize I pretty clearly meant to bid more than 521k. Think it's more than reasonable to let me actually up the bid since I did so well before the bidding ended, but didn't notice until afterwards. Were someone else in the same position, I'd let them up the bid.
Open to your thoughts.
Chris
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Galvis
Apr 16, 2019 13:16:47 GMT -5
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Post by Rangers GM (Patrick) on Apr 16, 2019 13:16:47 GMT -5
I'm open to a bid change. If this was RFA I'd say too bad so sad but in season adds and drops are very quick. Obviously if he typed a bid it was to try and acquire a player.
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Galvis
Apr 16, 2019 13:38:52 GMT -5
Post by Royals GM (Brandon) on Apr 16, 2019 13:38:52 GMT -5
For the record, Chris created this poll. I am interested to see how the voting comes out, but it is clear in the rules the requirements of a bid.
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Galvis
Apr 16, 2019 14:31:21 GMT -5
Post by mozeknows (Mets Head of OMG) on Apr 16, 2019 14:31:21 GMT -5
As an LM, the rules are clear, "The minimum bid increase is $50,000. Bidding closes 24 hours after the last bid is made." Objectively, I would say the bidding had closed as the initial bid by Dylan of $521,000 had been unbeaten for 24 hours
However, as an individual, I am more ambivalent. I'll echo the sentiment from above that when Chris posted a bid inside the 24 hour window, it was meant to be for a greater amount
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Galvis
Apr 16, 2019 23:12:17 GMT -5
Post by seeyalaterdylan (Orioles GM) on Apr 16, 2019 23:12:17 GMT -5
Definitely get the counterpoint but I feel like if my 24 hour clock goes by and it's not corrected by then, we should move on. I don't think it's any more fair to me if we keep the bidding going because someone was rushed within a 24-hour window.
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Galvis
Apr 17, 2019 7:36:02 GMT -5
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Post by ch435 on Apr 17, 2019 7:36:02 GMT -5
Definitely get the counterpoint but I feel like if my 24 hour clock goes by and it's not corrected by then, we should move on. I don't think it's any more fair to me if we keep the bidding going because someone was rushed within a 24-hour window. You also posted 4 bids, with only 3 open spots, and didn’t post a drop for any of them. If we’re in the business of just completely ignoring reality and not being reasonable, shouldn’t your bid be invalid too? |
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Galvis
Apr 17, 2019 7:42:16 GMT -5
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Post by ch435 on Apr 17, 2019 7:42:16 GMT -5
Also, for the record, my understanding of the facts is you noticed my mistake and waited till immediately after 24 hours to tell Moze. If that’s not the way it went down, fine, but in my opinion if it is that’s just a dick move.
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Galvis
Apr 17, 2019 8:19:39 GMT -5
Post by Royals GM (Brandon) on Apr 17, 2019 8:19:39 GMT -5
Chris, it is not Dylan's job to make sure you do your job, and honestly the blame game and name calling makes you sound like a child.
This add has already been processed. Any future invalid bids will be handled the same way. There is some discussion among LMs to change the wording of the rule, but it will still say the same thing.
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Galvis
Apr 17, 2019 8:21:43 GMT -5
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Post by mozeknows (Mets Head of OMG) on Apr 17, 2019 8:21:43 GMT -5
What's the old saying? Two wrongs don't make a right?
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Galvis
Apr 17, 2019 8:43:18 GMT -5
Post by seeyalaterdylan (Orioles GM) on Apr 17, 2019 8:43:18 GMT -5
I asked Moze about it when I saw the bid, nothing malicious involved.
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Galvis
Apr 17, 2019 8:57:41 GMT -5
Post by ch435 on Apr 17, 2019 8:57:41 GMT -5
Chris, it is not Dylan's job to make sure you do your job, and honestly the blame game and name calling makes you sound like a child. This add has already been processed. Any future invalid bids will be handled the same way. There is some discussion among LMs to change the wording of the rule, but it will still say the same thing. You're right, it is not Dylan's job. I've admitted I've made a mistake. Let me be entirely clear, though. Where I take issue is (1) we're strictly adhering to rules - while completely ignoring context and reasonableness - in this situation, but we're not doing so in other situations. Here, I made a mistake and am paying a price for it. Fine. Dylan mentioned it to Moze, Moze made a decision to blindly enforce a rule without considering the context. That's fine, and is his prerogative. However, to me, the message that sends is we're going to blindly adhere to rules and not be reasonable. Moze admitted to me he knows I made a mistake and thinks it's stupid, but isn't going to fix it. On the other hand, he's also willing and has been enforcing a rule that doesn't exist. So we blindly follow some rules because they're enshrined in the rules, but also are able to enforce others because presumably its the reasonable thing to do since it's not written in the rules. Net result - we apply reasonableness in some contexts, but not in others. That, to me, is a double-standard. I take issue with that. Entirely the LM's prerogative to manage things how they see fit, but I think the way this was handled was not correct. (2) There's no rule about posting drops, despite spotty and inconsistent enforcement of a non-existent rule (i've been told in the past have to post drop when you first bid, but then also as long as you post before 24 hours it's fine). Moze has mentioned in convos with me that you have 24 hours to post a drop. Don't see that in the rules. Great, response is to be reasonable and consider changing the rule to adjust. Net result - we're going to be reasonable and read the practice/context in one situation, but in another we won't, we'll just blindly follow a rule. Why? We can be reasonable when you want to be, but not when you don't? Clarify the rules. Be consistent with how you apply them. Recognize that the practice here was to not be reasonable, despite everyone clearly understanding what went on here, when you have made the decision to be reasonable elsewhere. Recognize the message that sends. Those are your actions, not mine. |
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